FXUS02 KWBC 211930 PMDEPD EXTENDED FORECAST DISCUSSION NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD 329 PM EDT THU AUG 21 2008 VALID 12Z SUN AUG 24 2008 - 12Z THU AUG 28 2008 THE LONGWAVE PATTERN SHOWS PROGRESSION OF TWO MAJOR TROUGHS IN THE POLAR WESTERLIES. THE FIRST OF THESE WILL MOVE FROM THE GULF OF ALASKA INTO THE NWRN CONUS AND ADJACENT CANADA. THE SECOND ONE WILL MOVE ACROSS ERN CANADA INTO THE N ATLANTIC...A BIG RIDGE WILL PROGRESS EWD BETWEEN THE TWO TROUGHS. AT LOWER LATITUDES...THE REMNANTS OF TS FAY SHOULD EITHER REMAIN STNRY OR DRIFT EVER SO SLOWLY NNE UNDERNEATH A STRONG POS HEIGHT ANOMALY OVER ERN CANADA/THE GRT LAKES THE LATTER HALF OF THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD. THE NEW 12Z GFS HAS TAKEN A DECIDED TURN TOWARDS THE 00Z ECMWF....MORE SO THAN THE 06Z/21 GFS RUN. THE NEW 12Z ECMWF FOLLOWS ITS OWN CONTINUITY FAIRLY WELL THRU DAY 5 THEN DRIVES HEIGHT FALLS ACROSS THE NWRN STATES INTO THE N CENTRAL STATES EVEN FASTER THAN IT DID IN ITS PREVIOUS RUN. IT ALSO EMPHASIZES A DIFFERENT SHORT WAVE BY DAY 7 OVER THE NRN HIGH PLAINS. WE LEFT FINAL GRAPHICS MOSTLY UNCHANGED FROM THE PRELIM UPDATE. THIS MORNINGS NAEFS/ECMWF ENSEMBLE PLOT (A COMBINATION OF THE GFS/CANADIAN/ECMWF ENSEMBLE MEMBERS) HAD SUGGESTED THAT THE CENTER OF THE ENVELOPE OF SOLUTIONS WAS AS GOOD A PLACE TO BE AS ANY. THRU MON DAY 4...THE ENSEMBLE MEMBERS AGREED RATHER WELL ON A PROGRESSIVE TROF/RIDGE/TROF PATTERN ACROSS THE CONUS...AND ON THE MEANDERING REMNANTS OF FAY OVER THE WRN GULF STATES. BY DAY 5 THE ENSEMBLE MEMBER SPREAD INCREASED SUBSTANTIALLY OVER THE WRN CONUS. AN AVERAGE OF THE 00Z/21 ENSEMBLE MEANS OF THE GEFS/ECMWF/CANADIAN STILL OFFERS A REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE TO THE VARIOUS MODEL SOLUTIONS INCLUDING THOSE OF THE NEW 12Z/21 MODELS. THE FATE OF FAY DAY 5 AND BEYOND BECOMES A BIT MURKY...SO DAY 6-7 MANUAL GRAPHICS JUST SHOWED A SLOW NNE DRIFT OF THAT FEATURE WITHOUT A SYS FROM THE N TO CLEARLY PICK IT UP. PLEASE REFER TO TPC DISCUSSIONS CONCERNING FAY. ...REGIONAL HIGHLIGHTS... ...GULF COAST/S AND MID ATLANTIC STATES... THE REMNANTS OF SLOW MOVING BUT WET TS FAY WILL BRING HEAVY RAINFALL ESPECIALLY TO THE FL PANHANDLE IN THE MEDIUM RANGE. IT APPEARS THAT THE NRN EXTENT OF THE HEAVY RAINFALL WILL BE SLOW TO WORK NWD INTO THE DROUGHT STRICKEN AREAS OF AL AND GA....BUT SOME SHOULD REACH THOSE AREAS BY DAY 6 OR 7. THE 12Z GFS APPEARS TO REPLACE WEAK STEERING FLOW OVER THE SERN STATES WITH 500MB SWLY FLOW OVER THE SERN STATES DAYS 5-6...PULLING FAYS MOISTURE TOO QUICKLY NEWD INTO THE CAROLINAS DAY 5...AND ON INTO THE MID-ATLANTIC DAY 6. THE NEW 12Z/21 CANADIAN/ECMWF FOLLOW OUR CONTINUITY BETTER BY MAINTAINING A BLOCKIER 500MB PATTERN TO THE N THRU E OF THE REMNANTS OF FAY...ALLOWING ONLY A SLOW NNE DRIFT DAYS WED/THU DAYS 6-7 FROM MON DAY 5 TPC POSITION OF 32N/90W. ...COLD FRONT MOVING INTO THE ERN PORTION OF THE CONUS THEN STALLING OUT... ONLY MODERATE AMOUNTS ARE EXPECTED WITH THIS FRONT SINCE THE DEEP MOISTURE FROM THE REMNANTS OF FAY IS EXPECTED TO BE SLOW TO WORKING NWD. LITTLE INTERACTION IS EXPECTED WITH THIS FRONT THRU TUE DAY 5. ...PACIFIC NW COAST... A DECENT FRONT FOR THIS TIME OF YEAR WILL BRING SIGNIFICANT PCPN TO THE HIGHER ELEVATIONS OF WA/OR SUN/MON DAYS 3-4. FAST FLOW ATOP AN ERN PACIFIC RIDGE OFFERS PERHAPS ANOTHER QUICK SHOT AT PRECIP FOR WA DAY 6 OR 7 BUT LOW CONFIDENCE IN THE TIMING. FLOOD $$